Justin, you never disappoint. The Sagarin power …
Posted on June 20, 2013
Comment posted on Tebow vs. McCoy – The Careers by Guilf
Justin, you never disappoint. The Sagarin power ratings are all computer based. Has nothing to do with television time. And Tebow leading the number one team in rushing and passing is a BAD thing? I didn't want to put opinions in this one – think the numbers say everything.
You've been a ton of fun. Hope you guys do well tomorrow and everyone stays healthy.
Guilf also commented
- Except for the fact that this article lists career stats and he listed season stats. That was all I said. Fair stats.
- A LOT of "ifs" there. We have a team I'm worried about this afternoon. Undefeated in the SEC garners respect from me – even this year. If we both get there, we'll talk about what a win means.
Good luck in the game today – hope all make it through healthy.
- These are great, but not one of them is a career stat. Once again, the Texas fan is a genius :eyeroll:. Most efficient QB. Best win percentage in the far better conference.
- In the college game, Nordgren had the ultimate success. Manning did not. Manning also never beat Florida. I'd bet he wouldn't claim to be the best COLLEGE QB ever.
Recent comments by Guilf
- SEC Defense vs. Big 12 Offense
I didn't choose the award or the voters. Is there any consistency to any of these voters or even their votes year-to-year? If Gerhart wins the Heisman, we're both gonna shrug and say "WTF were they thinking"? - SEC Defense vs. Big 12 Offense
I actually like the Longhorns and what they stand for and I like McCoy. And I think the worst thing for Tebow has been the neverending stream of nauseating stories about him. I keep telling my girl – we love him, but if he played for FSU or Bama or Texas (or whoever), we'd be sick of him too. But he hasn't asked for it and he's handled it all with grace. Gator Nation can't help but love him. Put a lot of my last couple of weeks into this and I've never even seen the kid from farther than 100 yards. And, contrary to many commenters belief, I'm far less of a nerd than I seem and have a life.I wish the Longhorns luck this weekend (don't think you're going to need it). Hope we get a chance to play this out in LA.
- SEC Defense vs. Big 12 Offense
Forget it – I know. Totally forgot about those links.
Like I said – a little slow on the uptake today. - SEC Defense vs. Big 12 Offense
I am currently in the process of writing the honest appraisal of Tebow I think you guys are looking for. Sick as a dog with a cold, so it's taking some time. The switching between Excel and Firefox is much slower today than it's been in the past.How do you know I was born in Texas?
- SEC Defense vs. Big 12 Offense
They have a season average, right? You're one of those people that says – when we played such and such, they were in the Top 10 – aren't you? Even if that team lost five over the season and is out of the rankings? They were the same team then. If they had an anomalous game and earned 1000 yards one game, but averaged 300 for the season – that's the team they were. It's the reason the NCAA keeps rankings and they are utilized in every game analysis since the history of statistics. If not, why even keep records or anything?
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Dec 04, 2009
Nice job showing that the only way McCoy's stats are better is because he's started WAY more games against MUCH easier competition and thrown WAY more passes.
Dec 04, 2009
While I'm definitely Pro-McCoy, I think the idea of trying to prove one is better than the other is really fighting an uphill battle. Both played good teams, both played shitty teams, both put up astronomical numbers. McCoy will finish with most wins and probably highest passing % in the history of the NCAA. Tebow has been ridiculous running the ball and has an incredibly TD/INT ratio. Trying to say one is definitely better than the other is pretty much impossible. They're both amazing players, and it's a shame that (It looks like) they'll only get to meet on the field one time in their entire careers.
Dec 04, 2009
There was an entire year where Tebow played QB AND RB for Florida, so his rushing numbers are a bit inflated. I would be genuinely curious to see how many of Tebow's TD runs were for less than 10 yards vs more than 10 yards. And the same comparison for McCoy. Has there been another QB with almost 700 rushing attempts? Even VY, who was regarded as a running QB only had 450. He also had more yards too. Just saying.
And I don't put that much faith in those "Conference Power Rankings" the SEC is on TV the most, more people see them. When you see a Kentucky/Vanderbilt game come down to the wire, you're gonna think those teams are better than Kansas beating the dog piss out of Iowa State. This is like in the 80s and 90s when Notre Dame was one of the few teams on TV ALLLLLL the time and therefore everybody thought they were the greatest team ever.
Dec 04, 2009
Justin, you never disappoint. The Sagarin power ratings are all computer based. Has nothing to do with television time. And Tebow leading the number one team in rushing and passing is a BAD thing? I didn't want to put opinions in this one – think the numbers say everything.
You've been a ton of fun. Hope you guys do well tomorrow and everyone stays healthy.
Dec 04, 2009
Oh no, I am not at all saying anything negative about Tebow's stats. I'm just saying over half of his 56 rushing TDs came in one season, when there was no other running game option at Florida. I mean seriously…who was the starting RB that year? Brandon James? I don't know why that name sounds right to me, but it does.
And you still didn't respond to my requests. Tebow TD runs of <10yds vs >10yds. And has there been another QB with 700 rushing attempts in his career?
Dec 04, 2009
Found my answer to one of the questions:
Pat White
684car 4,480yds 47tds
Eric Crouch
648car 3,950yds 59tds
Dec 04, 2009
No offense but who cares how many TDs were from less than 10 yards out, he is the quarterback not the fullback. I guess we should discredit some of McCoy's TDs since many of them were just 15 yard passes that receivers made subpar defenders miss on tackles and ran 50 yac for the score.
Dec 04, 2009
LMAO @ "he is the quarterback not the fullback." You sure Urban knows that?
SMH @ your entire comment. I never said anything about discrediting his TDs, I was just curious how many were for more than 10 yards. You don't have to get so defensive buddy.
And really, isn't the point of playing QB & WR to complete short passes and then make somebody miss and take it to the house? Should every QB throw the ball 40 yards on every play? LOL.
Dec 05, 2009
And what do ya know. More "selective" stats.
Lol @ using Sagarin.
Oh hey, did you guys hear? NC's as a backup count.
Look at this
National Championships
Matt Nordgren: 1
Peyton Manning: 0
Guess Texas' 2005 backup QB Nordgren is better than Manning.
Dec 05, 2009
In the college game, Nordgren had the ultimate success. Manning did not. Manning also never beat Florida. I'd bet he wouldn't claim to be the best COLLEGE QB ever.
Dec 05, 2009
I never said Manning was. He was a college choke artist.
But would you take Nordgren over Manning? If you would, wow
But Nat'l titles as a backup don't count. And yes I realize Tebow contributed a little bit to that 2006 team. But he was the backup.
He has 1 NC as a starter.
Dec 05, 2009
More stats
Record V Teams that FINISHED in the top 15
Tebow: 3-4
McCoy: 5-3
V. 2008 Common opponents
McCoy:
45/54 (83.3%) 462yds 4tds 0ints 179.6QBRAT | 23 (5ypc) 115yds 2tds
Tebow:
35/56 (62.5%) 448yds 4tds 3ints 142.55QBRAT | 34 (4.14ypc) 141yds 0tds
Sorta weird how selective stats work, eh?
Dec 05, 2009
One more (from ESPN SEC Chris Low)
THIRD DOWNS:
Colt McCoy
74-of-103 (71.8%) for 765 yards and 8 TDs (two INTs) (156.0 rating)
- Conversions: 46-of-103 (44.7%)
28 rushes for 130 yards (4.6 ypc) and 1 TD
- Conversions: 15-of-28 (53.6%)
Total Conversions: 61-of-131 (46.7%)
Tim Tebow
39-of-61 (63.9%) for 490 yards and 4 TDs (one INT) (149.8 rating)
- Conversions: 25-of-61 (41.0%)
52 rushes for 221 yards (4.5 ypc) and 6 TDs
- Conversions: 26-of-52 (50%)
Total Conversions: 51-of-113 (45.1%)
RED ZONE EFFICIENCY:
Colt McCoy
37-of-52 (71.2%) for 273 yards and 15 TDs (two INTs) (202.8 rating)
20 rushes for 16 yards (0.8 ypc) and 1 TD
Conversions: 49-of-51 (96.1% / 36 TDs / 13 FGs) (73.5% TDs)
Tim Tebow
10-of-29 (34.5%) for 82 yards and 4 TDs (one INT) (96.9 rating)
61 rushes for 114 yards (1.9 ypc) and 10 TDs
Conversions: 38-of-46 (82.6% / 21 TDs / 17 FGs ) (45.7% TDs)
Dec 05, 2009
These are great, but not one of them is a career stat. Once again, the Texas fan is a genius :eyeroll:. Most efficient QB. Best win percentage in the far better conference.
Dec 05, 2009
You do realize if McCoy beats Tebow in the NCG, McCoys win % will be better, right?
Plus McCoy will have scoreboard
Do you concede that if Texas beats Florida, that McCoy > Tebow?
Dec 05, 2009
A LOT of "ifs" there. We have a team I'm worried about this afternoon. Undefeated in the SEC garners respect from me – even this year. If we both get there, we'll talk about what a win means.
Good luck in the game today – hope all make it through healthy.
Dec 05, 2009
Now you're fighting sleep my friend. You can't post selective stats that make Tebow look better and say they are a true valuation of the players, but when somebody posts stats that make McCoy look better you say that it doesn't count.
I would take 3rd down and red zone efficiency over most of those other stats anyways. I want a guy who can extend drives and score in red zone more than a guy who can run for an extra yard per carry in the middle of the field.
Dec 05, 2009
Except for the fact that this article lists career stats and he listed season stats. That was all I said. Fair stats.
Dec 05, 2009
Touché.. Hope Florida beats Alabama, and my horns take care of business.
Dec 05, 2009
So much for all those stats. Chokebo is back
Dec 07, 2009
Suh should win the Heisman. Outplayed everyone on Saturday night, and did all season. Best college football player of 2009. Guy gets double teamed, held on most every play but never a holding call? Still tacks on 4.5 sacks and many QB hurries. The guy is a flat out stud, at DT nonetheless.
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