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Comment posted Tebow vs. McCoy – The Careers by Justin.
LMAO @ "he is the quarterback not the fullback." You sure Urban knows that?
SMH @ your entire comment. I never said anything about discrediting his TDs, I was just curious how many were for more than 10 yards. You don't have to get so defensive buddy.
And really, isn't the point of playing QB & WR to complete short passes and then make somebody miss and take it to the house? Should every QB throw the ball 40 yards on every play? LOL.
Justin also commented
- Now you're fighting sleep my friend. You can't post selective stats that make Tebow look better and say they are a true valuation of the players, but when somebody posts stats that make McCoy look better you say that it doesn't count.
I would take 3rd down and red zone efficiency over most of those other stats anyways. I want a guy who can extend drives and score in red zone more than a guy who can run for an extra yard per carry in the middle of the field.
- Found my answer to one of the questions:
Pat White
684car 4,480yds 47tdsEric Crouch
648car 3,950yds 59tds - No offense but who cares how many TDs were from less than 10 yards out, he is the quarterback not the fullback. I guess we should discredit some of McCoy's TDs since many of them were just 15 yard passes that receivers made subpar defenders miss on tackles and ran 50 yac for the score.
- Oh no, I am not at all saying anything negative about Tebow's stats. I'm just saying over half of his 56 rushing TDs came in one season, when there was no other running game option at Florida. I mean seriously…who was the starting RB that year? Brandon James? I don't know why that name sounds right to me, but it does.
And you still didn't respond to my requests. Tebow TD runs of <10yds vs >10yds. And has there been another QB with 700 rushing attempts in his career?
- While I'm definitely Pro-McCoy, I think the idea of trying to prove one is better than the other is really fighting an uphill battle. Both played good teams, both played shitty teams, both put up astronomical numbers. McCoy will finish with most wins and probably highest passing % in the history of the NCAA. Tebow has been ridiculous running the ball and has an incredibly TD/INT ratio. Trying to say one is definitely better than the other is pretty much impossible. They're both amazing players, and it's a shame that (It looks like) they'll only get to meet on the field one time in their entire careers.
Recent comments by Justin
- Tebow vs. McCoy
Thank god there's no doubt in your MINE. Phew. I'm sure that will help Tim sleep better at day.I really just can't wait for January 7th. Actually I can't wait till January 9th when I have started to sober up and come visit this site and see what all you Tebow/Gator homers have to say when Texas does the same thing we did the last two times we went into the Rose Bowl.
- Tebow vs. McCoy
Well, if you want to win championships, probably best to go with the PROVEN quarterback, Tim Tebow. If you want a fifth-year senior who has started four years but hasn't won even a conference championship yet, then go with McCoy. - Stats Manipulation
WHOAAAA! I missed this. Brantley, like Jevan Snead, and Lyin' Perrilloux couldn't handle the QB position at Texas so he, like the other two scurried off to the SEC where things are so much easier to play QB cuz nobody throws the ball. Brantly sucks.I would be willing to bet you $ that Garrett Gilbert finishes with better #s than Brantley does next year. At least a friendly gentleman's bet. This is preposterous.
- SEC Defense vs. Big 12 Offense
So then its settled…Ole Miss was the best team in the country last year? They beat Florida who beat Oklahoma and Alabama, and they beat Texas Tech who beat Texas. Damn that Ole Miss team was a team for the ages! - SEC Defense vs. Big 12 Offense
Yeah they were the same TEAM, but as it was said before, you can't really expect a team to be in mid-season form in their first game, especially when it's a game against a fairly respectable opponent. Not a team you're favored to beat by 72 points.
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Dec 04, 2009
Nice job showing that the only way McCoy's stats are better is because he's started WAY more games against MUCH easier competition and thrown WAY more passes.
Dec 04, 2009
While I'm definitely Pro-McCoy, I think the idea of trying to prove one is better than the other is really fighting an uphill battle. Both played good teams, both played shitty teams, both put up astronomical numbers. McCoy will finish with most wins and probably highest passing % in the history of the NCAA. Tebow has been ridiculous running the ball and has an incredibly TD/INT ratio. Trying to say one is definitely better than the other is pretty much impossible. They're both amazing players, and it's a shame that (It looks like) they'll only get to meet on the field one time in their entire careers.
Dec 04, 2009
There was an entire year where Tebow played QB AND RB for Florida, so his rushing numbers are a bit inflated. I would be genuinely curious to see how many of Tebow's TD runs were for less than 10 yards vs more than 10 yards. And the same comparison for McCoy. Has there been another QB with almost 700 rushing attempts? Even VY, who was regarded as a running QB only had 450. He also had more yards too. Just saying.
And I don't put that much faith in those "Conference Power Rankings" the SEC is on TV the most, more people see them. When you see a Kentucky/Vanderbilt game come down to the wire, you're gonna think those teams are better than Kansas beating the dog piss out of Iowa State. This is like in the 80s and 90s when Notre Dame was one of the few teams on TV ALLLLLL the time and therefore everybody thought they were the greatest team ever.
Dec 04, 2009
Justin, you never disappoint. The Sagarin power ratings are all computer based. Has nothing to do with television time. And Tebow leading the number one team in rushing and passing is a BAD thing? I didn't want to put opinions in this one – think the numbers say everything.
You've been a ton of fun. Hope you guys do well tomorrow and everyone stays healthy.
Dec 04, 2009
Oh no, I am not at all saying anything negative about Tebow's stats. I'm just saying over half of his 56 rushing TDs came in one season, when there was no other running game option at Florida. I mean seriously…who was the starting RB that year? Brandon James? I don't know why that name sounds right to me, but it does.
And you still didn't respond to my requests. Tebow TD runs of <10yds vs >10yds. And has there been another QB with 700 rushing attempts in his career?
Dec 04, 2009
Found my answer to one of the questions:
Pat White
684car 4,480yds 47tds
Eric Crouch
648car 3,950yds 59tds
Dec 04, 2009
No offense but who cares how many TDs were from less than 10 yards out, he is the quarterback not the fullback. I guess we should discredit some of McCoy's TDs since many of them were just 15 yard passes that receivers made subpar defenders miss on tackles and ran 50 yac for the score.
Dec 04, 2009
LMAO @ "he is the quarterback not the fullback." You sure Urban knows that?
SMH @ your entire comment. I never said anything about discrediting his TDs, I was just curious how many were for more than 10 yards. You don't have to get so defensive buddy.
And really, isn't the point of playing QB & WR to complete short passes and then make somebody miss and take it to the house? Should every QB throw the ball 40 yards on every play? LOL.
Dec 05, 2009
And what do ya know. More "selective" stats.
Lol @ using Sagarin.
Oh hey, did you guys hear? NC's as a backup count.
Look at this
National Championships
Matt Nordgren: 1
Peyton Manning: 0
Guess Texas' 2005 backup QB Nordgren is better than Manning.
Dec 05, 2009
In the college game, Nordgren had the ultimate success. Manning did not. Manning also never beat Florida. I'd bet he wouldn't claim to be the best COLLEGE QB ever.
Dec 05, 2009
I never said Manning was. He was a college choke artist.
But would you take Nordgren over Manning? If you would, wow
But Nat'l titles as a backup don't count. And yes I realize Tebow contributed a little bit to that 2006 team. But he was the backup.
He has 1 NC as a starter.
Dec 05, 2009
More stats
Record V Teams that FINISHED in the top 15
Tebow: 3-4
McCoy: 5-3
V. 2008 Common opponents
McCoy:
45/54 (83.3%) 462yds 4tds 0ints 179.6QBRAT | 23 (5ypc) 115yds 2tds
Tebow:
35/56 (62.5%) 448yds 4tds 3ints 142.55QBRAT | 34 (4.14ypc) 141yds 0tds
Sorta weird how selective stats work, eh?
Dec 05, 2009
One more (from ESPN SEC Chris Low)
THIRD DOWNS:
Colt McCoy
74-of-103 (71.8%) for 765 yards and 8 TDs (two INTs) (156.0 rating)
- Conversions: 46-of-103 (44.7%)
28 rushes for 130 yards (4.6 ypc) and 1 TD
- Conversions: 15-of-28 (53.6%)
Total Conversions: 61-of-131 (46.7%)
Tim Tebow
39-of-61 (63.9%) for 490 yards and 4 TDs (one INT) (149.8 rating)
- Conversions: 25-of-61 (41.0%)
52 rushes for 221 yards (4.5 ypc) and 6 TDs
- Conversions: 26-of-52 (50%)
Total Conversions: 51-of-113 (45.1%)
RED ZONE EFFICIENCY:
Colt McCoy
37-of-52 (71.2%) for 273 yards and 15 TDs (two INTs) (202.8 rating)
20 rushes for 16 yards (0.8 ypc) and 1 TD
Conversions: 49-of-51 (96.1% / 36 TDs / 13 FGs) (73.5% TDs)
Tim Tebow
10-of-29 (34.5%) for 82 yards and 4 TDs (one INT) (96.9 rating)
61 rushes for 114 yards (1.9 ypc) and 10 TDs
Conversions: 38-of-46 (82.6% / 21 TDs / 17 FGs ) (45.7% TDs)
Dec 05, 2009
These are great, but not one of them is a career stat. Once again, the Texas fan is a genius :eyeroll:. Most efficient QB. Best win percentage in the far better conference.
Dec 05, 2009
You do realize if McCoy beats Tebow in the NCG, McCoys win % will be better, right?
Plus McCoy will have scoreboard
Do you concede that if Texas beats Florida, that McCoy > Tebow?
Dec 05, 2009
A LOT of "ifs" there. We have a team I'm worried about this afternoon. Undefeated in the SEC garners respect from me – even this year. If we both get there, we'll talk about what a win means.
Good luck in the game today – hope all make it through healthy.
Dec 05, 2009
Now you're fighting sleep my friend. You can't post selective stats that make Tebow look better and say they are a true valuation of the players, but when somebody posts stats that make McCoy look better you say that it doesn't count.
I would take 3rd down and red zone efficiency over most of those other stats anyways. I want a guy who can extend drives and score in red zone more than a guy who can run for an extra yard per carry in the middle of the field.
Dec 05, 2009
Except for the fact that this article lists career stats and he listed season stats. That was all I said. Fair stats.
Dec 05, 2009
Touché.. Hope Florida beats Alabama, and my horns take care of business.
Dec 05, 2009
So much for all those stats. Chokebo is back
Dec 07, 2009
Suh should win the Heisman. Outplayed everyone on Saturday night, and did all season. Best college football player of 2009. Guy gets double teamed, held on most every play but never a holding call? Still tacks on 4.5 sacks and many QB hurries. The guy is a flat out stud, at DT nonetheless.
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